Charles Jay Interview
(Personal Choice Party Presidential Candidate)
In 2004, Charles Jay ran for President of the United States on the Personal
Choice Party ticket.
His running mate was, are you ready for this?-----Marilyn Chambers, the
70’s Adult Film Star.
For 17 years Charles Jay worked as a Boxing writer, publicist, match-maker,
manager and promoter.
We talked with Charles Jay just after a debate he had with other Presidential
hopefuls on Third Party tickets.
Q – Charles, this debate you had was between
yourself, David Cobb (Green Party) and Michael Badnarik (Libertarian Party)?
A – Michael Badnarik didn’t come. Gary Nolan came in his place.
Gary Nolan lost the Libertarian nomination to Badnarik. Badnarik had some
kind of a travel snag and didn’t come down. Nolan came down on short
notice. So, he substituted for Badnarik. Then, there was the Green Party
nominee, the Socialist Party nominee, and representatives from the Workers
World Party. The former Presidential candidate from the Workers World Party
was there. Socialists Workers Party and me. That was the line-up. Six people.
Q – Where was the forum?
A – East Tennessee State University.
Q – How was the turn-out?
A – It wasn’t bad considering it was kind of brought there
on short notice. It was originally scheduled for the University of Tennessee.
I don’t know what happened but they had to move it. I don’t know
how they went about publicizing it, but, they got a turn out that was probably
less than I expected, but it wasn’t bad. There were some media there.
Q – How long was the debate?
A – Probably about 2 ½ hours.
Q – Why would anyone want to be President of
the United States? It seems like such a thankless job.
A – It is a thankless job. I don’t think the question to one
of the alternative party candidates is-----why are you wanting to be President?
I think the more salient question is-----why are you running for President?
We obviously unless someone has some kind of delusion going into this thing
knowing we’re not going to win this thing. So, the question of why
would you run for the presidency is I think always has to do with putting
across a message in the best way you know how and trying to reach as many
people as you possibly can with that message. That’s pretty much what
it’s all about. Change in this society really doesn’t happen
from the top. It happens with small groups really from the outside igniting
that flame, then subsequently more and more people picking up on it. That
has a lot to do with the motivation of not only myself, but probably of all
the people that were on that stage last night and anyone else that is running
from the outside, so to speak.
Q – What qualifies a person to run for President?
Is there a certain trait they must possess?
A – If you’re talking qualifications aside from being 35 (years
old) and a citizen of the United States everything else is pretty much wide
open. I think one thing; regardless of what you believe in has to be a trust
factor. People need to know that when you say something you are going to
keep your word, that you are going to stand up for citizens, and to use the
cliché ‘fight the good fight’. That’s not so easy
to demonstrate for people. A lot of people, including candidates are never
put into the position where they take a stand and have something to lose
as a result and do it anyway. It’s a lot easier to stand up and try
to be counted when you really have nothing to lose. It’s when there
is something to lose and you know it, and you do it anyway. That’s
when it really counts. That’s one of the ways you develop trust. That
indicates you’re not going to sell-out for the bigger and better deals,
so to speak.
Q – Are you still involved in the Boxing world?
A – Well, I am, and I am not. I was involved inside the industry
for a number of years.
Q - Who did you manage?
A – Probably the most significant fighter I managed was Robert Daniels
who was at one point the Cruser weight Champion of the World. I managed him
for a little while, then I stopped managing him in 1997. I promoted some
world contenders. One of the guys I had a deal with was Lyle Butler who at
one time was Number 2 or 3 in the world. I was mostly involved as a booking
agent. I was in the casino business as a consultant as it pertains to special
events in Boxing. I actually started as a boxing writer in 1981, and then
went into the business, got out of the business and went back to writing.
I essentially wrote all the material fro the USA Networks Tuesday night fight
series. That lasted quite awhile, ‘til about ’93 or ’94.
I prepped all the broadcasters and did some broadcast work myself.
Q – What were you doing before you entered
the Presidential race?
A – I publish a website on the Internet called totalaction.com. In
February (2004) I was named President of an organization called the International
Brotherhood of Prizefighters which is kind of an umbrella organization involved
with many things having to do with Boxing. Kind of pulling me back into the
industry in a sense. That organization also publishes a couple of websites.
I’m an Editor-In-Chief. I brought a whole bunch of writers aboard for
our publication. Also, I’m working on a television project right now.
So, I have to handle a whole bunch of stuff at the same time.
Q – What’s the television project on-----Boxing?
A – Part of it is on boxing. Part of it is on gaming. It’s
a very exciting project. I’m the point man for the project. I’m
basically the C.E.O. It involves many millions of dollars.
Q – Is it a plus or minus to have Marilyn Chambers
as your running mate?
A – It’s a Big Plus because it has called some attention to
the campaign. I’m sure in the days leading up to the election it’s
going to cause a lot more attention. I’ve been overwhelmed with requests
for campaign buttons. Her picture is on the button. I’m sure that’s
one of the major reasons for it. Also, one thing that can’t go unsaid
here is that Marilyn in addition to being well-known is also a very strong
presence in terms of her identification with the First Amendment, Freedom
of Speech issues. It would be well argued that here work and her existence
in the adult entertainment business probably had a lot to do with leading
it to where it is today which is a rather mainstream business. She was a
real pioneer in that regard. She’s been involved in a lot of Freedom
of Speech issues in the past. I would say that in terms of all the candidates
running this year, she is the strongest in identifying and advancing the
First Amendment. So, there is a political usefulness to her involvement as
well, that I think can’t go unrecognized.
Q – If someone doesn’t know who your vise-presidential candidate
is-----and you tell them-----what’s been the reaction?
A – It really depends on how old you are. Many of the younger people
have no idea even though she still regularly appears on television, on Cinemax,
Showtime, and occasionally on HBO. She was not a Pop culture icon while they
were growing up. But, for Baby Boomers, certainly she is very well-known.
And, it really is a source of amusement. There’s been very few people
who tell me they don’t take the campaign seriously because she’s
involved, because a lot of people don’t take politics seriously. They
see Jesse Ventura elected Governor of Minnesota. They see Arnold Schwarzenegger
is elected Governor of California. So, nothing is really outside the realm
of possibility. Nothing it seems is too extreme in politics. That is probably
a factor in that.
Q – If a Third Party candidate was to win the
Presidency, how then do you get the Democrats and Republicans to go along
with your politics?
A – Let’s not forget that should a Third Party candidate get
elected President of the United States that carries with it some kind of
a mandate from the people of the United States. There’s no question
that people in Congress have to respect that. One would also have to assume
that if somebody from a Third Party won, some other people from that Third
Party might be getting into Congress that year. I can find some common ground
with everybody, depending on the issue. If there is one over-riding principle
in terms of approach with the Personal Choice Party it’s that we’re
not here to argue with people, we’re here to find what we agree on
with people and work towards change in those areas. I think I could work
very, very well with Congress as far as that’s concerned.
Q – Let’s talk issues: How would you
stop the jobs leaving the U.S. for overseas workers?
A – I wouldn’t stop it. There’s another side to this
question of out-sourcing that has not really been told and not been told
in this election. The other side is this: there is a fair amount of in-sourcing
as well. There are foreign cos. that come and set up shop here and hire American
workers. That seems to go ignored. There’s plenty of it. There’s
plenty of foreign investment in this country. Why aren’t people talking
about that? In many cases with many cos. it’s a matter of outsourcing
20 jobs to save 200 jobs. If that’s what it takes to save some jobs,
then sometimes that’s what has to be done. I can tell you, as we are
in the process of putting together what I guess you would call a medium-size
small business, we’re talking about $30 million dollars of capitalization.
We may have to go to venture capitalists to do it. Venture capitalists, in
most cases are most interested in projects for new cos. when they have some
sort of outsourcing component attached to them in terms of the business plan.
Now, if that’s the difference between being able to start a new co.
and employ people and not being able to start that co. at all and create
jobs, what is the more preferable option there? So, in a way, outsourcing
does save jobs and it can create jobs by greasing the wheels for new businesses
to be started therefore employing new people. What I do have something against
is if cos. get special government subsidies for the purpose of farming out
jobs overseas. My campaign and my Party really doesn’t favor those
special government subsidies. Those are some of the things you hear John
Kerry talking about. Of course, he’s coming from a different place
than I am.
Q – How would you handle the Iraqi War?
A – Well, I would return troops home and I would do it as early as
January (2005). You have a prime minister ever there who claims to have 135,000
troops, trained. This is taking the government’s word for it. They
say there’s going to be elections there on January 31 st (2005). Fine.
As things as they are and I would not have gone in the first place, the United
States of America has supplied the Iraqi people with the tools by which to
fight for their own democracy. Let them go ahead and do it if they want it.
Q – Can we broker a peace in the Middle East?
A – Well, I am for it. I guess one of the silly things in this world,
but I guess something that is inevitable is the fact that religion always
seems to lead to conflict. We could talk all we want in this country about
separating church and state and how religion should not enter into political
decision making-----yet, there’s almost no way to avoid it. In terms
of other nations and now even our own President, I have always thought that
the legislation of morality, the imposition of morality on people who don’t
want it imposed on them is something that is dangerous. It’s something
I campaign against. People can talk all day long about how harmful either
guns are, gambling, alcohol, drugs and all the rest of it, but, you know
the Bible can do more damage than anything. It’s really a shame that
this has happened. How long has there been real hostility out there? 60 years
Q – Where will you find yourself after November
2 nd 2004? What will you be doing?
A – You mean politically speaking?
Q – No, just with your life.
A – Well, I’m shepherding this project through that I’ involved
in, which is a multi-media project. It certainly is going to involve Internet
television 24 hours a day. We intend to be on the cutting edge of that. There’s
enough business-wise to keep me busy. But, there’s also at the same
time, the very real possibility that I’m simply going to start now,
early for 2008.
Q – You must really like campaigning.
A – I’ve enjoyed it tremendously. Four months is a lot different
than four years in terms of being able to get something rolling. I’ve
had very little lead time in terms of doing this. I got my nomination May
22 nd (2004). So, when you’re not really dealing with much organization
you have a tendency to spend too much time on certain things that will take
your money away from other things. I think something can be built that can
be quite important and quite significant and I’ve gotten a lot of encouraging
signs along the way. I think we can make some noise if we had a lot of lead
time. You gotta remember, one calendar year ago, none of this was ever a
thought in my mind. So, it became a matter of indoctrinating myself into
politics itself. All of these other candidates, I don’t care if they
are running a minor party; they’ve all been preparing this for awhile.
I didn’t do it. I had to take a lot of time just to learn about what
I was doing. This has pretty much become a good kind of trial run. It has
demonstrated to me the do’s and don’ts of next time and the importance
of organization and the importance of channeling your efforts into something
on the Internet that might be more efficient than something you might do
in person. I’ve discovered I have followers which is good. To me, the
results have been pretty encouraging. I like to think that with a little
momentum we can actually build something a little more significant next time
around. I’m not absolutely committing to it, but, I am certainly considering
it and look upon it as more of a long-range product. There’s so many
things I could’ve done with more time. I guess that just kind of gives
you the itch to do it again. This is the kind of thing that gives you a forum
like no other. I could run for County Commissioner but, I wouldn’t
have gotten into a multi-party debate that was going to be televised on Free
Speech Television. There are an incredible amount of websites that a lot
of people haven’t heard of but, who have thousands and thousands of
visitors. They’re dedicated to alternative politics. There’s
a lot of participation on them. The Internet is moving us more and more toward
an age where people don’t have to go and watch the 3 broadcast networks
to get their news and information. That’s a good thing for Third Parties
because the traditional media essentially wants to leave Third Parties out
of the whole thing. But-----these websites do not. So, you can really develop
some momentum and reach a lot of people and get some marketing done on those
kinds of websites. You can also develop a little more personal relationship
with the people that visit them. That is really the Untold Story of the future
of Third Party politics. I’m talking about taking it even beyond the
level that Howard Dean took his campaign. He raised millions of dollars through
the Internet. All the Republicans and Democrats started to look at the medium
in a different way. To me, that is the only way Third Parties are going to
advance, is through the Internet.
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